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Alright so you know there's those times when you get so pissed while driving, that you rant for days and days....well ok, maybe a couple of minutes. But lets just talk about driving.

 

How do you drive? Tickets? Fines? Close Calls? Why you hate people and cars.....you know all that stuff that people bitch about!

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Ahh man, this is cool. We get to complain about driving-related things.

 

Ok, my driving. I drive a Z28 and the whole stereotype that Camaro drivers are fast drivers, applies to me. But I've only been pulled over three times in about 4 years.

 

The first time was 99 and a 65 when I had my permit (had a good lawyer for that one, so there's nothing on my record). I was in a new, rental Pontiac Bonneville. I was used to driving our old Plymouth Voyager that shook at 70, so I didn't even realize how fast I was going since it was so smooth. Without a lawyer, though, I think they would've taken my license away for at least half a year. I soon bought a radar detector after that.

 

The second time was for going 42 in a 65. This was in a 2004 Chevy Cavalier. Instead of getting pulled over because I didn't have a radar detector and didn't know the cop was there, it was the opposite. I was going 80 or so (I don't remember, I don't really look at my speedometer all that often), and my radar detector suddenly goes off, so I slow down, a lot. I pulled over to the right lane, since I was now going slowly (I was a couple lanes to the left). Then I see bright flashing lights behind me. I was so scared and nervous. Ever since the first time I got pulled over I've had a pretty strong fear of police. You can ask just about any of my friends; I avoid police as much as possible. So he comes up to the window. It's about 2am, and I'm in South Carolina, on my way to DC. He looks in, and it like, "do you know what you were doing?" I just kinda sit there, not knowing what to say, and at the same time wondering how fast he got me going. So then he's like, "the minimum speed limit's 45, and you were going 42, are you ok? you were also traveling in the fast lane, you are going to get run over like that." I told him I had sneezed, and slowed down to be safe, since I was sneezing. I was so afraid he was going to give me a ticket, which I really couldn't afford. (I was also 17 at the time, and it's illegal to drive after midnight in GA if you're under 18.) He came and asked me what "class D provisional" on the back of the license meant. I told him it just meant I was under 18 (I left off the part about what that implies). He then let me go, I was quite relieved. I was still shaking, pretty badly, so I took the next exit and took a break at Kroger.

 

The last time I was pulled over, it was for speeding. I was driving down this road. It's a 6 lane highway, and since I'm in VA I had my radar detector off (they’re illegal). Well, I assumed the speed limit must be somewhere around at least 45 considering the road. So I conservatively estimated 40 (there are a ton of police around there, so I try not to speed). Well, as I'm driving, I see a police car about 1000 feet behind me, kinda weaving through traffic. I didn't pay much attention to this, since I thought I wasn't speeding. Not too long afterwards, I see flashing lights behind me, and then again, stopped and hoped so much he didn't give me a ticket. He comes up and says I was doing 40 in a 25. I tell him I've been having rear end problems, and I was trying to listen to the sounds at different speeds (which is partially true, since I was doing that earlier). He's then like, "the reason I pulled you over is not just because you were speeding, but someone complained earlier, and I don't know if this is true or not, but they said you were going about 50 down Colonial (which is in a residential area). I told him I couldn't have been going 50. They must've thought I was going 50 since I was driving in 1st gear, trying to diagnose my rear end, and I'm sure it probably sounded like I was going 50 since my car can get rather loud at higher rpms. (I drive a Z28, so it's louder than the average car, especially at high rpm's.) He's like ok, and lets me go, but tells me that he'll pull me over if anyone else complains. In all honesty, that was completely true that I wasn’t going that fast down Colonial. I didn't shift out of first. I'm not even sure if I could've hit 50 and stopped before I hit the end of the road (from the point that I turned onto the road). I probably could've, but that would require a lot of breaking before I got to the stop sign. I was going about 20, maybe 30 a couple times, all in first gear, and I went down that street a few times (I was driving around, accelerating, and then riding the clutch to listen to the rear end.) It's more of a symptom of driving through a relatively rich neighborhood with a lot of snobby people who like to complain when they see a loud, bright red car driving amongst all the black, grey, and white SUV's and economy cars. People around here really do like to complain a lot.

 

But I've never been pulled over twice in the same car.

 

Ok, things that annoy me. The main thing, besides stupid speed limits, is people driving in the left lane. The left lane is the passing lane, that's it. You use it to pass, and then you move to the right lane. It depends on the size of the road on how many passing lanes there are. Assuming there is no HOV lane, it goes like this (lanes are per direction of cars, so 2 lanes is 2 lanes going in the same direction, etc):

 

2 lanes, right is for driving, left is for passing.

3 lanes, right is for the people either driving the speed limit or slower, or getting off at an upcoming exit, middle is for everyone else, and left is for passing.

4 lanes, right is for the same purpose as 3 lanes, one over is for most people (i.e., going the speed limit up to 7 or so over), another over is for everyone else, and the far left is for passing.

Etc.

 

I don’t mind people sitting in the left lane, as long as they move over well before someone comes up wanting to get by (such as if there’s not much traffic). It the people who sit there, completely unnecessarily, and either won’t move, or they wait until you’re right behind them for a few minutes before they decide to move, making you waste all the time and gas accelerating again.

 

Just because you think you're driving fast, doesn't mean you just sit in the left lane. For one, you should assume there's always someone driving faster, and two, it's actually illegal in US to pass on the right, but it's not enforced because of all the inconsiderate people who just sit in the left lane. I really wish you could get pulled over for sitting in the left lane, like you can in Germany. That would be a lot better use of the police's time as well as being more productive than pulling people over for absurd speed limits.

 

I personally have a custom mounted Escort ZR3 with the shifters (the laser jammers). I have the radar detector and two laser jammers behind my grill, and one laser jammer in the back. I plan on getting the Blinder M-20's to add to my laser jammers in the front. My headlights and grill are also painted with Veil.

 

I dislike ricers, but I'm glad they exist, because they give me something to laugh at while I look at them in my rear view mirror :-)

 

No offense if you're a ricer.

 

Oh, and I don't like it when people put police sirens in their songs. Every time I hear them I get a bit paranoid, especially if I’m driving.

 

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Ugh, just recently messed up my accord turning a bit too fast. It rubbed onto the curb a little and the alignment is off a tad bit but still bad non the less. The rim(stock thank god) is a little messed up with a tiny piece missing from the rear one :sm_sigh: No more reckless driving for a long time :) .

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I've been driving for almost 7 years. never been the driver in an accident. got a speeding ticket ONCE. been pulled over twice... once was because i had tinted windows at the time, but i was smart and got tints that weren't limosine like.

 

i speed all the time, but i don't take stupid risks and i've AVOIDED many many many accidents.

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I've been driving for almost 7 years. never been the driver in an accident. got a speeding ticket ONCE. been pulled over twice... once was because i had tinted windows at the time, but i was smart and got tints that weren't limosine like.

 

i speed all the time, but i don't take stupid risks and i've AVOIDED many many many accidents.

 

mine is almost exact same, except ive been driving about 3 years...

 

1 ticket

pulled over twice total

and no accidents

 

speed almost ALWAYS, but very smart about it

 

BTW RADAR DETECTORS HELP, BUT CAN SCREW YOU OVER IF THE COP HAS HIS RADAR OFF

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BTW RADAR DETECTORS HELP, BUT CAN SCREW YOU OVER IF THE COP HAS HIS RADAR OFF

 

 

If a cop has his radar off, he can't tell your speed. There are relatively few instant-on radars. Pop is a form of instant on, and is using more frequently, but won't hold in court. A radar detector is no substitute for being aware of your surroundings, though. I have a radar detector, laser detector, and laser jammers, but I'm still very aware of my surroundings. I have never been pulled over for speeding when I was using my radar detector. I speed, but I don't drive recklessly. I average about 30,000-40,000 miles per year since I drive A LOT. Recently it's been a little lower since I've been at school and don't need to drive.

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the cop can't tell your speed, youre right... but if you are speeding excessively (meaning something like 65 in a 30) he can tell that you are speeding, and quickly turn the radar on to clock you in as soon as you pass by.. which was wat i meant

 

and u say that the instant on radars wont work in court, but most people don't take the cop to court when speeding that much... so the cop would get away with giving you a ticket

 

my second time i got pulled over (which i got a warning only) my radar detector didnt go off when i passed the cop, and he still clocked me in going 7 above the speed limit

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I've been driving for about 2 years and I've been pulled over once and gotten one ticket. It was a stupid ticket because it was like midnight and I pulled up to a stop sign and turned right without stopping completely. Yeah it's illegal but there was no one else on the road, but I only got a fine, no points or anything.

 

I speed constantly. I always do at least 5 over the limit, but Im not stupid about it. I don't have a car that I feel safe speeding excessively in haha. I hate people that pull out in front of you when you are WAY to close. Especially in a 45-50mph zone....

 

I also HATE CELLPHONES. I wish they would ban driving with them in PA. Every other person that is either in front of me or behind me are on their cellphone not paying attention. I also hate when people don't stop at stopsigns when they're not first one there. I almost got hit twice because of it.

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damn. hah. i've been in 1 accident when i was a freshman back in 2001. that was my first reckless driving ticket. then i got a ticket for not stopping at a red light. (was on benedryl allergy pills. had me feeling like weird. stupid idea. first time. never do it again) 3rd and final time i've gotten a ticket was the most dumb thing i could ever have done. the trooper cut me off about 20 - 30mph's off my last ticket. he clocked me in around 130 - 140 mph. he just wrote me the ticket for 103 in 45. passing in no passing. reckless driving. no drivers license. and driving onto oncoming traffic. i didn't have a license nor permit at the time. so i had to call my mom and wait for her to get there. then she gave me hell and started stereotyping my friends (which basically every mexican parent does once you get in trouble because you were with so and so) but i've been pulled over about 5 - 6 times for non sense. just dickhead cops trying to give me tickets for no reason.

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the cop can't tell your speed, youre right... but if you are speeding excessively (meaning something like 65 in a 30) he can tell that you are speeding, and quickly turn the radar on to clock you in as soon as you pass by.. which was wat i meant

 

and u say that the instant on radars wont work in court, but most people don't take the cop to court when speeding that much... so the cop would get away with giving you a ticket

 

my second time i got pulled over (which i got a warning only) my radar detector didnt go off when i passed the cop, and he still clocked me in going 7 above the speed limit

 

 

I didn't say instant on radars don't hold up in court. Pop radar doesn't. I'm not sure about instant-on, but I know I've never seen an instant on personally, but my dad's run into a couple. They're rarely ever used, at least around where I live. Also, radar detectors vary a lot, and that's the reason I tell people never try to save money when buying one, only buy the best you can find. One reason a lot of people with radar detectors get pulled over is they have the wrong idea that they can speed everywhere. You also have to worry about VASCAR, pacing, or laser. There's no excuse to not be completely aware of your surroundings, and always watching the cars behind you, and especially in front you of (and watch their brakelights). Also, there are sometimes nice people going the opposite direction who kindly flash their lights trying to help others out.

 

Your second time you were pulled over sounds like the cop was using laser, not radar. Either that or he was using pop and your radar detector didn't pick it up (some radar detectors won't pick up pop). If he was, then that would be one reason he didn't give you a ticket, since it would be illegal of him to do so.

 

I think everyone should go to court if they get a ticket. I always recommend it, since nothing worse can happen out of it. If you don't go to court, then you're just accepting the worse thing they can legally give you really. Almost everyone I've seen go to court end up with something better than if they hadn't, regardless of how fast they were going. This really applies to anything in life, that you should always strive for your goals. The only time I would tell someone to not go to court is if they're making enough money so that they they can easily afford the money required, but it would cost a lot to lose the time.

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i've never heard of "pop on" radars. but i'm sure you're meaning laser? because when a radar is on. any detector should pick it up because it's specifically not set on your car. laser is just instant and you wont get no warnings. it's eithe ryour'e caught or you're not. but you have to look into what you buy for radars. VG2. KA. K. V bandetc. you just have to find out what the detector comes with already. radar/laser etc. just depends on what the cops want to use. the rules are small towns use radars. bigg cities use laser. now i know it isn't true everywhere. but that's what it's supposed to be. (from a fellow cop friend)

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i've never heard of "pop on" radars. but i'm sure you're meaning laser? because when a radar is on. any detector should pick it up because it's specifically not set on your car. laser is just instant and you wont get no warnings. it's eithe ryour'e caught or you're not. but you have to look into what you buy for radars. VG2. KA. K. V bandetc. you just have to find out what the detector comes with already. radar/laser etc. just depends on what the cops want to use. the rules are small towns use radars. bigg cities use laser. now i know it isn't true everywhere. but that's what it's supposed to be. (from a fellow cop friend)

 

There are instant-on radars that are very rarely used (usually only by small cities who want as much money as they can get), and there are also POP radars. POP is a very short burst of Ka band. It's so short that cordless detectors are unable to pick it up (because they save battery life by switching on an off many times a second).

 

Laser can be detected, but unless you're driving a black C5 vette with the headlights down and no front license plate, under normal circumstances, if the radar/laser detector even does pick it up (which is only about 40% of the time from my experience with windshield mounted detectors), it's too late. The corvette I described is extremely difficult to clock with a laser gun until the car is pretty close (and the cop is usually in plain sight by then).

 

I used to have a Beltronics RX65 (windshield mounted). I sold that to my brother when I got my new one. The best protection against lasers are a good laser jammer and veil. Not to mention, if you can, get a black, low profile car with no exposed headlights and no shiny grills, or get a motorcycle and black out the headlights (motorcycles are fairly difficult to clock with anything, since they're so small). Second to that, a black bra on the car also helps a lot, especially if you have a light-colored car. Speedlabs (speedlabs.com) tests most of the laser and radar devices out there, so they're a good source if you're thinking about getting one.

 

I don't think I mentioned this before, but know the area you're driving in. I drive faster in the areas I'm familiar with than in the areas I'm not (the areas I drive a lot in I know what radar band/laser police use, where they normally are, and how much tolerance they have to various speeds).

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I think everyone should go to court if they get a ticket. I always recommend it, since nothing worse can happen out of it. If you don't go to court, then you're just accepting the worse thing they can legally give you really. Almost everyone I've seen go to court end up with something better than if they hadn't, regardless of how fast they were going. This really applies to anything in life, that you should always strive for your goals. The only time I would tell someone to not go to court is if they're making enough money so that they they can easily afford the money required, but it would cost a lot to lose the time.

 

I agree with you but at the same time, I can't try and get out of something that I admitted to already. It's just not my way of life. I mean yeah, the judge might drop it or give me less, but at that time I didn't have the time to go to court....there was a lot going on.

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I agree with you but at the same time, I can't try and get out of something that I admitted to already. It's just not my way of life. I mean yeah, the judge might drop it or give me less, but at that time I didn't have the time to go to court....there was a lot going on.

 

 

Yeah, I understand. Another thing is to never admit to what you were doing, let the cop tell you. Sometimes in court, as long as you didn't admit it (the police often write what you said down), depending on circumstances you can lower the speed. (There are certain issues dealing with the use of laser guns, for instance, the proves them inaccurate to sometimes as much as 7mph. Painting is an example.) You didn't try postponing the court date? They usually let you do that at least a few times. I've heard of people who postpone them to the point that the cop just doesn't show up, and thus they win the case completely (if the officer doesn't show up, you win and get nothing on your record nor do you have to pay a fine). I don't think that works most of the time, though, so I wouldn't suggest relying on that.

 

Lol, I think I've studied this stuff too much. Now I get calls from friends when they get tickets asking me what to do and whatnot...

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its rather unfair and unmoral (even to the governement who can be unfair sometimes)) to take a cop to court for a ticket when you know youve done wrong... and almost most of the time people realize what they did wrong.

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You didn't try postponing the court date? They usually let you do that at least a few times. I've heard of people who postpone them to the point that the cop just doesn't show up, and thus they win the case completely (if the officer doesn't show up, you win and get nothing on your record nor do you have to pay a fine). I don't think that works most of the time, though, so I wouldn't suggest relying on that.

 

At the time, I just wanted it to be over with, since it was my first ticket. Plus I never really knew about the whole court thing and how it worked, and again, since I wanted it done and over, I didn't ask questions. Just paid the fine and it was done.

 

 

its rather unfair and unmoral (even to the governement who can be unfair sometimes)) to take a cop to court for a ticket when you know youve done wrong... and almost most of the time people realize what they did wrong.

 

This is basically what I meant originally. I just don't like to hang stuff like that over my head when I know Im lying and Im doing it in front of a judge. I mean, the ticket was stupid and I just didn't really care. If it was something that was going to determine major concequences, like having my license taken away or something like that, then I'll definatly go.....even though that's a no brainer really.

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I got my first ticket when I was caught going 11 over in a residential area. Then I got into an

"accident" where I scartched a car going too fast into a parking space. Then last year I got caught going 31 over :thumbsdown: I knew that was something stupid and learned my lesson as now I drive really slow.

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If you're going to speed you just have to stay very alert. Gotta look where cops could be and slow down for speedtraps (the painted white line ones especially)

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If you're going to speed you just have to stay very alert. Gotta look where cops could be and slow down for speedtraps (the painted white line ones especially)

 

Yeah, being alert is key.

 

I figure that I might as well mention the white lines, since I'm surprised at how many people don't know what they're for. It's used for VASCAR, which is used both by aerial vehicles (helicopters and planes), as well as by police cars. The distance between the lines is measured, so the vehicle times the car from one point to the next (from one line to the next line). The distance is divded by the time time, and thus they have the average speed of the vehicle between the lines.

 

Note that lines are usually used by aerial vehicles (that's one reason I like my t-tops, is that I can look straight through the roof of the car and see the sky). Distance between lines isn't the only thing that can be measured. Police cars often just pick two points, measure the distance, and time the cars. They have computers that make everything really easy for them (switch to time the car who might be speeding, and a switch to measure the distance between the two points).

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ok. ive been driving for about a year now. ive had zero accidents(knock on wood), numerous tickets including 2 this week for no seatbelt, and illegal squealing of tires. which were both very ignorant of me, i learned my lesson for the total of 130 in fines. but im a decent driver, i speed once in awhile. i hate people who ride your ass that makes me more made then ever. i really dont take close calls unless im in a hurry. but otherwise from my year of driving i really just dislike the cops in my town for pulling me over for no reasons at all.

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ok. ive been driving for about a year now. ive had zero accidents(knock on wood), numerous tickets including 2 this week for no seatbelt, and illegal squealing of tires. which were both very ignorant of me, i learned my lesson for the total of 130 in fines. but im a decent driver, i speed once in awhile. i hate people who ride your ass that makes me more made then ever. i really dont take close calls unless im in a hurry. but otherwise from my year of driving i really just dislike the cops in my town for pulling me over for no reasons at all.

 

 

I usually move over for people who tailgate, since that's usually why they do. I rarely get that problem, however, since if you read my earlier post, I try not to sit in the left lane.

 

"...illegal squealing of tires." - That sounds funny, but I didn't think it was against the law. What is against the law that I know of, is "display of acceleration." So I supposed it could be considered that. I think a cop pulling you over for "illegal squealing of tires" is just wanting to pull you over. Unless you were doing something to disrupt traffic or pose a threat to others on the road.

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actually the cop was more then likely giving you a break. illegal squeeling of tires is considered reckless driving. so be happy you got that instead of a reckless. :P drive safe.

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I couldn't care less about people who ride my ass. I just do the speed limit and that's their problem.

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I couldn't care less about people who ride my ass. I just do the speed limit and that's their problem.

 

 

Do you sit in the passing lane (left lane)? And do you make any effort to let them by?

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No, Im talking about on a regular 2 lane road. On the highway, I I hold my own. I do at least 80...

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