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Well.. Heres my story..

 

A couple of years ago, when I was 17, I was interested in the Marines. My parents shot that down, because I wasnt of age yet. Now, Im 19, and Im still interested in the military. I dont think my body can hold up to the Marine training, so my next choice is Army. I dont feel like being in the Navy or Air Force. As I am of age now, my parents cant truly control what I want to do, right? So Im thinking about joining for the benefits (college payed off, decent salary, etc. Plus I love being active anyways.) Im good with computers and other technologies, so Im hoping to be able to get some kind of station away from the combat zone, even if it is overseas.

 

My questions are more for those who are currently in, or have been through it.

 

1. I know training and boot camp is going to be hard, but honestly HOW hard? Im not afraid of sweating or anything, but it still unnerves me to imagine some of the stuff I might have to do.

 

2. Compared to leaving high school and going straight through college and getting a conventional job, how much difference is there in pay, and any other things? I know the military will pay for my college, as well as a small house, so I imagine that the pay wouldnt be quite as good in the long run.

 

3. What are the current chances of a recruit going straight through boot camp, advanced, and getting immediately shipped out? I wouldnt be scared of being shipped out, but its always good to know.

 

 

 

Im about to start looking through the Army websites to get more information, and I might be going with a couple of friends tonight to talk to a recruiter, so Ill post back with more questions once they form in my head.

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1. It is harder for some people then it is for others. Most people will tell you that the psychical fitness they put you through usually isnt as hard as the mental part of it that goes along with it. The whole process is set up to mess with your head and to push you as far as they can.

 

2.Depending on the job that you get the pay will vary greatly once you get out of the military. When you are in your pay isnt determined by the job that you do but by your current rank. They will pay for your college when you are on active duty but with some jobs its really difficult to do both at the same time. Most people cant take having to wake up at 5-6 in the morning and not getting off until around 4-5 and then after that doing school work. Unless you are married or go in as an officer they dont really let you live on your own. You will stay in a barracks with the rest of the people you work with and have at least one other roommate. Pay isnt all that great either. The only thing that helps is that your housing and food are covered and you dont have to worry about health insurance.

 

3. It depends on the job and where you get sent.

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Ok.. Ive spent most of today looking around Army and Marine recruit and news sites..

 

Ive come to these few choices for what I might aim for if I join:

 

Army Scout

Army Health Care / Medic / Whatever

Army Computer Communications

Marine Data Systems Management

Marine Recon

 

Those sound like things I would be interested in doing, just from looking at their recruiting pages and such. My friend is taking me to his recruiter tomorrow night, so Ill be able to get more info on them, or anything else the Army might offer thats not on their site. Ill have to find a Marine recruiter if I want anything else on that..

 

What opinions or advice do you guys have on those fields?

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1. For the Marine training, the hardest part to me was running 3 miles + and marching around with our packs. everything else is just a mental/physical test of endurance

 

2. Bueno basicly covered everything, until you pick up E6 your stuck in the barracks, unless you can get command approved at E4/5 to move out in town. on base housing is usually for families

 

3. depends on where u get stationed, and what their current mission is

 

from what ive seen / worked with a

MSDM is basicly a cpu networker, just gotta make sure everyones works and they network stays up

 

with recon, i hope you can swim really good, with gear on i belive you have to do like a 100 meter swim, then some distance carrying a person, then their last one is fighting of the instructor who holds you under water

 

 

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I think we have some scouts that post around here so Im sure they can tell you way more then I can..

Im in the medical field so I know plenty of Medics. If your ASVAB is high enough then I would try and get M6 attached to it which would make you the army equivalent of a licensed vocational nurse which is like a 2 year nursing program on the civilian side.

If you go scout or Medic your chances of getting deployed go way up. and with both of those I would prepare yourself to see people getting hurt or dying right in front of you.

If you are thinking about going into the technological field and you dont want to get deployed to Iraq then Im sure you would have a much better time in the military if you joined the Air Force.

 

If you have a friend that is in the military then try and have them go with you to the recruiter. The army is still low on people so they are trying to get people to go and recruit others by giving them a $2,000 bonus for every person they are able to sign up.

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Well Ive rethought about some of the stuff I had previously been thinking on.

 

If I join, I think Im going to look more towards Multimedia Production jobs (25M, R, or V). Theres also a slight chance I could join the Army Band. Ive played trombone since 6th grade, so Im proficient on that to high school standards. I would need to polish up and work on some stuff to be able to audition, but I think it could work if I really set myself to it.

 

Im still keeping the Scout option open. Going through that and eventually on to Special Forces is something I would definitely like to try, even if I dont make it.

 

The reason Im rethinking my job choices is.. I just turned 19. I know Ive been fairly well off my entire life, so I dont think I would be able to take the stress and insane amount of time to be a Medic or Scout, at least right now. Much less so if I get deployed and get put in a combat position. The media jobs seem like they would be much more useful to me once my time would be up as well. I already love computers and electronics, and was planning on that being involved in my major in college. Going through military school for it would probably be just as good. At least thats what I would think.

 

With that stuff in mind, Im also kinda thinking about Air Force now. I havent actually looked at the website yet for any info, but they have more computer and technology based jobs, if I understand correctly.

 

Anyways.. Any new thoughts or opinions for me?

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Multimedia and Band are hard jobs to get because they dont have a lot of openings for them.

Special Forces is VERY selective and few people ever achieve it.

If you are thinking about what you are going to do after you get out then try and go to college. A formal degree will take you way further on the outside in most professions then getting a starting job in the military will. Maybe try looking at an ROTC program. If you get accepted they pay for a lot of your schooling and once you graduate you enter the military as an officer.

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They even have duel programs where you can be a reservist and a cadet at the same time. If you do that almost all of your costs for college are pretty much paid for. and as long as you are in the cadet program they wont be able to deploy you as a reservist.

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I tried college this semester.. And I honestly have too much freedom. Im always out partying, hanging out with friends, out walking around the town, sitting on the computer doing pointless things, or just about anything else BESIDES studying. I just cant bring myself to study for more than 10 minutes before I basically toss my books aside and do something else. Ive always been like that, and in high school, my parents sometimes had to make me sit in the living room with them in there with nothing going on, in order to make me so bored that I actually opened my books. So regular college wont work well for me I dont think. Not with how I currently take to acedemics. Thats one thing Im hoping I might be able to change in the military. Despite how often Ive tried to do it myself, maybe they can discipline me enough to be able to take studying seriously.

 

My ultimate goal in the military would be to become an officer, and hell, maybe even stay in until retirement just gaining ranks.. Who knows. But short term is just have a job, get my body back in shape and cleaned up from aforementioned partying, and just be a part of something bigger. But I know to become an officer, I need a degree. I think if I were to become an officer for something, it would be more motivation than simply being able to get a better job with a better paycheck. Money isnt really that much of a concern or motivating factor for me, as long as I can eat and live somewhat comfortably.

 

As I said earlier in this thread, I was in marching band, jazz band, and orchestra in school. I also did martial arts (karate, judo) and teams sports throughout my childhood, up until high school, so Im a lot more confortable being in something where you dont really get the glory, per se, but help the whole organization as a whole. And actually being able to do something physical rather than sitting around being bored all the time, like I would going through regular college and finding a desk job, would be so much more rewarding in my mind.

 

That stuff being said, thats why Im seriously considering the military instead of trudging through college. It just makes sense in my mind as the most logical way to go..

 

As for the difficulty of getting into those sections of the military, I know the Bands are very difficult to audition for, and their audition requirements are pretty strenuous. The Media stuff I think I would have a strong chance to get into, still. Im pretty intelligent, so I dont think the ASVAB will be any major hindrance to me being qualified to those. But in the case they dont have those jobs open at the time, thats why Im trying to consider multiple MOSs in multiple branches.. I dont really like the Navy or Air Force as much as Army or Marines, but if I cant get a specific job in one branch, I can try for a similar job in the other branches instead.

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Yeah I saw that one, but it looks like way too much classroom work for me, seeing as thats my main concern in college right now..

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Well I can tell you that its a lot easier doing work in the military then it is on your own. The majority of the people you are around the whole day are taking the same class you are. Its like a learning community or something. You have people to study with and to motivate you or help you out if you dont get something. The instructors are always on you to which also helps.

and after basic training most people are able to focus more just because of the discipline that you gain.

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Hey whats going on Sasquatch!?

I've been reading through your thread and thought I could add my 2 cents in, for what it's worth. I joined in May of 05 as a Cavalry Scout and I have loved every minute of it. In fact, I re-enlisted in Oct. for 4 more years with the school option and Air Assault option.

 

The school option basically allows you to attend a semester of college without worrying about being actively engaged in military functions and Air Assault teaches you how to repel out of blackhawks at 70-90 feet; and also fast rope out of blackhawks/chinooks. Fast roping is what you see the Rangers doing in the movie Blackhawk Down.

 

I'm currently deployed to Iraq right now (have been since Oct. 27th of 06), if feels like I havn't been able to get on for a couple months. That is mostly due to the fact that I no longer have the internet in my room and our tour is winding down so we're getting pretty busy.

 

1. I know training and boot camp is going to be hard, but honestly HOW hard? Im not afraid of sweating or anything, but it still unnerves me to imagine some of the stuff I might have to do.

Here's the thing about Basic, or OSUT if you join a combat MOS. The Drill Sgt.s aren't truely there to tear you down, but build you up and make you succeed. It will seem very different as a recruit though haha. They know that you may/may not be able to just start running 3-4 miles the first day, so they will gradually increase the level of PT that you do so that you build strength/stamina. At the same time, they are going to smoke the shit out of you lol.

 

If you go into it with the understanding that they are going smoke you or tear you down because it's their job, then you'll be fine. Trust me, you wont be able to do ANYTHING right for the first cpl of weeks during red phase. That is the point, they want to mentally break you down until you think you can't go anymore so that you build self-confidence when you build yourself back up.

 

So when someone does something stupid and you all get punished for it, don't think "man now we have to get smoked"...instead, think "this is just more exercise that's going to help me be a soldier".

 

It's all a mental game, nothing more. Just keep your head up, do what they tell you to do, and take pride in what your doing- after that, nothing can stop you.

 

2. Compared to leaving high school and going straight through college and getting a conventional job, how much difference is there in pay, and any other things? I know the military will pay for my college, as well as a small house, so I imagine that the pay wouldnt be quite as good in the long run.

As Bueno mentioned (whats up by the way!), your pay is given on a base scale which reflects your rank. It might not look like much, but take into account that you wont be paying for rent, utilities, school, or food, and you make a decent chunk of change. Not to mention the fact that EVERY year you get a raise so that the military and private sectors will be closer in their payscales.

 

Health/dental/eyes...their all taken care of. You don't have to worry about paying doctor/hospital bills. You don't have to worry about forking out money to a dentist (which you have to go to every 6 months. You don't have to worry about paying an optomitrist to get new glasses (if you need them). And on top of all that, you get a $600,000 life insurace policy.

 

Also take into consideration that when your deployed, you get payed tax free. No matter what your rank, you will easily be bringing in about $2000 a month. I am a Specialist(P) with little over 2 and a half years in service and I bring home about $4000 a month home while im deployed. Granted, I'm married and get BAH (housing allowance)...but even without that I would be pocketing close to $3200 a month.

 

The pay is VERY good as long as your active duty (which I HIGHLY recommend) and you can maturely handle your money and not blow it on everything you touch.

 

3. What are the current chances of a recruit going straight through boot camp, advanced, and getting immediately shipped out? I wouldnt be scared of being shipped out, but its always good to know.

The chances are very high, regardless of your MOS. Even media personel can be deployed. We received a couple of new Privates that had just came from AIT. Keep in mind though, before you get shipped over you will have to complete more training at your new duty station before deploying.

 

Most likely you will be sent to a unit that is getting ready to deploy so that they can meet their personel numbers, in which case you could have 4 months up to a year before you deploy. Or in our new soldiers case, since we were already deployed, they reached the unit and spent 4 months there doing additional training before coming to Iraq.

 

Also, the military is trying to send everyone that has not deployed yet to a war zone. At least 37,000 have been slotted to come over in the next few years. You will be deployed, it's just a matter of when.

 

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I'm not sure what they are saying on the news, but Iraq has almost done a complete 360 since the war started in 03.

 

Yes, it is true, 07 was the deadliest year since the war began. But that is because with the surge, more troops where on the ground engaged in combat operations....something that had to be done and something that likewise has had tremendous success.

 

Iraqis are starting to stand up for themselves and defend their towns and roads; turn in known terrorists; and cooperatively aid coalition forces in the war effort. In our AO alone violence is down by 80%.

 

I'm in the 1st Cavalry Division and we're getting ready to leave, as well as a few other units. But less Divisions will be replacing us, so we're are actually downgrading the number of troops we have here...which is a good sign.

 

Last I would say that being a soldier has been the single most gradifying thing that I have done with my life. The pride and honor that you will carry for the rest of your life is amazing. This opinion is not shared by everyone of course, but those that have joined for a the purpose of fighting for their country as opposed to what the military offers (which is definitely a perk!) will all say the same thing.

 

I hope I answered all your questions, just let me know if there is anything else you want answered!

 

 

 

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Sorry I havent gotten back to this thread lately. Been kinda busy.

 

Cray-Z, Thanks for all of that info, and the tips. Definitely helped my thought process on this.

 

 

I FINALLY got a chance to go in and talk to a recruiter today. Well, yesterday technically, whatever. I have to say, the guy I talked to put everything down nice and thick. Asked me questions about my life I had never even thought about. Showed me quite a few things that peaked my interest even more. It got me thinking about how much doing this will be better than what I have and can get currently.. So probably before mid-January I may be enlisted and off to basic moving towards Multimedia production or broadcasting.

 

Im still going to visit the recruit office several more times, so I would like some suggestions on what types of questions I should be asking. Ive already got the basic stuff like potential pay, insurance stuff, housing, what kind of stuff I would expect in basic and AIT, their deployment stuff, and what bases I could ship to, among other things ready for asking, but what else? My mind is drawing blank on everything in concern to this..

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Length of contract? sign up bonuses?

 

What other jobs have you been looking into? Often times people will go to MEPS and find out the job isnt open and then end up getting talked into some other job just because they are already there.

 

Also remember that most recruiters are like car salesmen. Not all of them lie but they will usually make things sound way better then they usually are.

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VERY well said Cray-Z :dope . I agree, the time I spent in the military was THE best 4 years of my life and wished I couldve stayed in (damned PT test, lol). When I came back home from OSUT, I was about 25 lbs lighter and my family could hardly even recognize me. I was more diciplined (sp?), stood up straighter, and was proud that I was part of American history and would soon help in another countrys history.

 

I signed up for medic originally, but changed to 13B (cannon crewmember) so I could go to basic earlier and knock that out. But that kinda sorted itself out since after I got to Kansas I was trained to be a Combat Life-Saver (kinda like a mini-medic), I was trained on how to give IVs, maintain an airway and treat all sorts of other combat related injuries. On the civvy side, thats just about rated as EMT-Intermediate.

 

I'm honestly thinking about going back in, but as an occifer (enlisted joke ^_^), in the National Guard, and in the medical field because it seems like the only place an artilleryman can get a job at is in Colorado starting avalanches on the ski slopes before the hills open up.

 

Its not even really the recuiters that really lie... more like the career counselers. Also, if you sign your contract and its a ways away before you go to basic, soak up all the info you can when the recruiting station has DEP (Delayed Entry Program) functions. Most of them are really fun, I even went paintballing once, and went to a local Nat Guard armory for weapons training. They were fun and we learned alot before we left. Some people go to MEPS and ship to basic about a week after. The longer your stay in DEP, the more you'll learn.

 

Before I leave, one last thing.... PT IS JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. Maintain high marks there and your set.

 

Talk to you later, and think things out.

 

PLUR always People, Vampyre_6

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^^ thanks Vampyre_6 :)

 

the military looks highly on well/special trained soldiers. it sets you apart from the rest.

 

if your interested in doing some high speed training, i would suggest trying to get airbourne or air assault in your contract because the MOS you might be going into isnt going to spend money for you to get that sort of training, unless you want to re-enlist later on down the road and get it as an incentive.

 

i would try to get one in my initial contract if i were you, and then if your re-enlist you can go for the second. and try to get it right after basic, that way your in damn good shape.

 

you dont see too many lower enlisted (E-4 and below) with wings on their chest, it will help in your career later on.

 

and when you get into basic, TAKE THE GI BILL!!!!

 

i didnt like an idiot, but i wish i did...you can only get it when they offer it to you the first time in basic. you pay $100 a month for the first year of your contract and then you get all the x amount of thousands of dollars for college. i dont remember the exact amount, but if you ask your recruiter he'll know.

 

another program you can ask about if your interested in college is EArmyU. basically its a program that gives you a computer to take online classes for college. you pass your classes, you keep the cpu. you fail, you buy it......im pretty sure its something to that affect. again, i would ask your recruiter.

 

Bueno and Vampyre we're both right about recruiters. there are some that will lie to you so they can make their quota (or at least not get in trouble), and there are some that will tell you the truth. mine told me the truth, about everything.

 

the best peice of advice he told me was, basically:

your leaders are people...you'll have good ones and you'll have bad ones. the bad ones will teach how not to be, and the good ones will teach you how to be. but dont let the bad ones ruin your view on the rest of the Army because you wont always have them as leaders.

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1. I know training and boot camp is going to be hard, but honestly HOW hard? Im not afraid of sweating or anything, but it still unnerves me to imagine some of the stuff I might have to do.

 

It will be physically tough. But the truth of the matter is that what it really is, is a mental challenge. You are pushed beyond anything you've ever done before to show you what your body and you limits truely are.

Alot of people dont know this, but in the Army if Basic training is too tough for you. You can just quit and the Army will pay for you to go strait back to your home and thats it. You're done. Your not in the army...and then you'll just be one of those people that are ashamed to admit they couldnt take it and made up some kind of medical story instead. lol...like I'm flat footed.

Its just that its not popular knowledge that you can just quit, that can only really happen in Basic though...once you've completed basic training then you're in till your exit date.

 

2. Compared to leaving high school and going straight through college and getting a conventional job, how much difference is there in pay, and any other things? I know the military will pay for my college, as well as a small house, so I imagine that the pay wouldnt be quite as good in the long run.

The goverment will only pay for a "house" if you have dependants. You dont sound old enough to be married or have kids so you can forget the house thing, but they will put you up in the Barracks. Which is more like a college dorm or apt complex where everyone works together. Its really not too bad, but it will and can get roudy.

 

As for when it comes to compairing a civilian life to a milatary one:

They are quite different.

First of all. There are different levels in the rank stucture so there are differances in pay.

As for being enlisted. Private, Private first class, specialist/ corperal, Sergeant, staff Sergeant, Sergeant first class, first/ master Sergeant, Command Sergeant major.

 

You dont make a ton of money, but most of your cash will actually go in your pocket. Unless you rack up additional bills for yourself. Like buying a car and dealing with paying ins. stuff like that.

 

Officers: Second Lieutenant, First Lieutenant, Caption, Major, Lieutenant Colonel, (full bird) Colonel, Brigadier General (one star), Major General (2 stars), Lieutenant General (3 stars), and (four star) General, and there is also a five star ranking, but nobodys ever recieved it.

 

Commisioned Officers tend to live the good life. They are the leaders that do less work but make more desicons.

If you go that route. You will set yourself up pretty good money wise, but be up to the challenge. If you step up to the plate as an officer, be a damn good one. Cause your men will treat you the way you treat them.

 

There is also Cheif warrent officers. They are speicalists in their field. They get the bennifits of both, enlisted and officers.

Warrant Officer 1, Warrant Officer 2, Warrant Officer 3, Warrant Officer 4, and now Warrant Officer 5.

They get the money of a officer, and they dont have to answer as much to anyone like someone who is enlisted or a commisioned officer.

 

 

3. What are the current chances of a recruit going straight through boot camp, advanced, and getting immediately shipped out? I wouldnt be scared of being shipped out, but its always good to know.

 

It depends on a verity of things.

What your MOS (your job) is. Obviouslly if you decide to go infentry. Then you're more likely to go. If your field of work has more to do with being a vetranarian then your chances will be greater that you'll stay state side.

Alot of people actually go to Korea the first year you're out of basic. I actually recomend you do it. Its only a year and you'll get out of America and expierance life abit.

 

The fact of the matter is that in todays world with there is no telling if you will go or not.

I'm on the inactive reserve list so I could be deployed anyday if I get the call. Luckily for myself and my family I havent gotten a call yet.

 

Last but not least. Their is nothing wrong with being scared to be shipped out. Most people who are and get shipped out will come to a reality that they'll typically share with others in the same boat. That they are scared. Its human to be. If your not scared to go to war then there is something wrong with you or you have nothing to live for. Its the fear of loss that brings fear to us. If you find yourself in that position. Use it to make wise choices. So you can come home to your friends and family.

 

My .02

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Ive been in the Marine Corps now for 3 years, seen a combat deployment and been around the block a few times. Its not a bad lifestyle that will set you up for success. If anything your gonna come out of it more confident and disciplined.

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Once again, a MAJOR thanks for the info and advice.

 

The current jobs Im looking at are 25M, 25R, 25V, 25B, or MAYBE 19D. The 25 series all have to do with electronics and computers of some sort, and sound like pretty safe jobs that they would have me running around a base with. 19D is the cavalry scout. Thats the only combat MOS Im thinking about. The scout would set me up a lot more for the Spec Ops stuff, which I would be interested in joining if I re-enlist down the road.

 

Pay bonuses are supposedly UP TO 40k on signing, 70k for education and tuition. Yes, I have noted the 'up to' and asked what is usually paid. Averages 8 to 10k for signing and 15 to 20k for education. And 1.6k per month, assuming Im top-tier of the recruits and they bump me up a rank.

 

I believe Im going to MEPS with my recruiter and some friends today. I will post back with some results and what Im qualified for since Im not going to sign today.

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Pay bonuses are supposedly UP TO 40k on signing, 70k for education and tuition. Yes, I have noted the 'up to' and asked what is usually paid. Averages 8 to 10k for signing and 15 to 20k for education. And 1.6k per month, assuming Im top-tier of the recruits and they bump me up a rank.

 

thats before taxes :lol:

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Double post goodness!

 

Scored an 84 on the ASVAB yesterday. Going in later this morning to get some jobs pulled and see what all my near-future plans are for joining.

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whats goin on Freque!?

i just want to say that this isnt a personal attack against you, but you gave sasqautch some erroneous information, and with him still deciding wether or not to join the military i feel that he needs correct info.

 

i realize that you did not purposely do it, but maybe you joined a while back and things have changed?

 

but in the Army if Basic training is too tough for you. You can just quit and the Army will pay for you to go strait back to your home and thats it. You're done. Your not in the army...and then you'll just be one of those people that are ashamed to admit they couldnt take it and made up some kind of medical story instead. lol...like I'm flat footed.

you can not quit basic training sasqautch, dont try!! there are 5 ways that you can be demoted in the army, one of those ways is "failure to complete training". you can say no before you fly to your training location, after that you are in by contract. and at this point in the military they need every soldier they can get, so you will stay in basic and keep starting over until a) you graduate, B) you seriously get injured, c) your contract is up.

 

and im flatfooted, they offer shoe insoles and speacial running shoes for flatfooted ppl now

 

you can stay in basic the entire 4 years (or however long you enlisted for) of your contract, trust me. so PLZ!! dont say you quit, i've seen recruits get article 15's for failure to complete training...but only because they were shit bags, if you try and your commited the drills will leave you alone.

 

and there is also a five star ranking, but nobodys ever recieved it.

actaully there are 5 generals that have received the rank of 5 star general (general of the army).

 

and better yet, there is a rank higher...the highest rank in the military gerneral of the armies. only 2 ppl have received this rank, the first is gen. pershing during WWI. then congress said that no one would out rank gen. washington, so they posthumously awarded him general of the armies so that he will forever be the highest ranking general in military history

 

Alot of people actually go to Korea the first year you're out of basic. I actually recomend you do it. Its only a year and you'll get out of America and expierance life abit.

this may or may not have been common practice back in the day, but now they are mostly sending soldiers to units that are getting ready to deploy...but the 25 series might be different, im a scout.

 

The fact of the matter is that in todays world with there is no telling if you will go or not.

I'm on the inactive reserve list so I could be deployed anyday if I get the call. Luckily for myself and my family I havent gotten a call yet.

when your initial contract with the military is up, you enter the inactive reserves til your 8 year mark is up. after 8 years (including your active duty time) you are no longer able to be called back to service. i had a friend whos contract was up, but only spend 3 years in the military, we were set to deploy oct. 27 of 05 (4 months after he got out). he wasnt even out a week and they called him back. but it was good for him, he's now a sgt and reenlisted for 3 more years :)

 

If your not scared to go to war then there is something wrong with you or you have nothing to live for.

i wasnt scared to go to war and theres nothing wrong with me. i enlisted into a combat mos for a reason, to come over here and fight and if i have to, die for my country. i take pride in that fact. i have alot to loose, and i dont want to...but i would in a heartbeat. its something called patriotism, its a very very rare quality in the military nowadays.......but theres definitely nothing wrong with you if you have it

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Ok, an update after a long absence from this section:

 

A couple of days after I took the ASVAB, I went to my recruiter, and we got an MOS reservation as a 25B, an IT Specialist.

 

I went through the hell that is MEPS last Thursday.. Fully qualified the physical, passed the preliminary urinalysis, signed my basic contract and swore in for intent to enroll in the DEP until Jan 15. Then I will be signing my full contract, taking the real enlistment oath, and heading out to Basic on Ft Jackson, SC.

 

Ive heard Jackson is pretty relaxed, due to it being a dual sex facility, but if any of you were there for Basic, let me know how it was for you.

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whats goin on Freque!?

i just want to say that this isnt a personal attack against you, but you gave sasqautch some erroneous information, and with him still deciding wether or not to join the military i feel that he needs correct info.

 

i realize that you did not purposely do it, but maybe you joined a while back and things have changed?

you can not quit basic training sasqautch, dont try!! there are 5 ways that you can be demoted in the army, one of those ways is "failure to complete training". you can say no before you fly to your training location, after that you are in by contract. and at this point in the military they need every soldier they can get, so you will stay in basic and keep starting over until a) you graduate, B) you seriously get injured, c) your contract is up.

 

and im flatfooted, they offer shoe insoles and speacial running shoes for flatfooted ppl now

 

you can stay in basic the entire 4 years (or however long you enlisted for) of your contract, trust me. so PLZ!! dont say you quit, i've seen recruits get article 15's for failure to complete training...but only because they were shit bags, if you try and your commited the drills will leave you alone.

actaully there are 5 generals that have received the rank of 5 star general (general of the army).

 

and better yet, there is a rank higher...the highest rank in the military gerneral of the armies. only 2 ppl have received this rank, the first is gen. pershing during WWI. then congress said that no one would out rank gen. washington, so they posthumously awarded him general of the armies so that he will forever be the highest ranking general in military history

 

 

this may or may not have been common practice back in the day, but now they are mostly sending soldiers to units that are getting ready to deploy...but the 25 series might be different, im a scout.

when your initial contract with the military is up, you enter the inactive reserves til your 8 year mark is up. after 8 years (including your active duty time) you are no longer able to be called back to service. i had a friend whos contract was up, but only spend 3 years in the military, we were set to deploy oct. 27 of 05 (4 months after he got out). he wasnt even out a week and they called him back. but it was good for him, he's now a sgt and reenlisted for 3 more years :)

 

 

i wasnt scared to go to war and theres nothing wrong with me. i enlisted into a combat mos for a reason, to come over here and fight and if i have to, die for my country. i take pride in that fact. i have alot to loose, and i dont want to...but i would in a heartbeat. its something called patriotism, its a very very rare quality in the military nowadays.......but theres definitely nothing wrong with you if you have it

 

 

Wow you really deciphered my entire post huh.

Feeling abit combative???

 

you can stay in basic the entire 4 years (or however long you enlisted for) of your contract, trust me. so PLZ!! dont say you quit, i've seen recruits get article 15's for failure to complete training...but only because they were shit bags, if you try and your commited the drills will leave you alone.

I'm not in any kind of way suggesting that he or anyone actually throw in the towel and quit.

I'm just sharing less then comonly known knowledge. It was a suprise to me that people could just say I'm done when I was in before they graduated basic and that was it. It wasn't information that drills and their chain of command wanted to get out into the heads of new soldiers. It was kept well gaurded, but people did find out and some that couldnt deal with it. Dipped out.

 

I know that things have changed since I was in though...So I'm mearly going off of what I remember from 1997-2001.

But when I was in I personally saw about 6 people from my platoon in Basic just quit and get a strait ticket home.

I even wrote one of the dudes while I was in the last faze of my training and he said they even paid for his taxi to his front door.

 

And if anyone has recieved a 5 star ranking its news to me. I joined in 1998 and at the time during reception and basic I was told it was never obtained by anyone. Granted this was during times of instruction where myself and everyone else were extremly deprived of sleep. I'm sure you know what thats like. So maybe I just registered the info incorrectly in my head. If I'm wrong though then so be it. I have no problem with admitting that I've made an error in some kind of way.

 

As for people getting shipped to Korea it was defeenitly a common practice when I was in. I went strait to Ft. Hood myself, but 75% of the peole that left AIT with me were off to Korea. And being stationed in Ft. Hood. More then half the people I seemed to speak to about their prior duty station where fresh from 3rd ID or some other Korean based Division.

Granted, I wasn't in at a time of war. So things may differ now. Which is quit understandable.

 

i wasnt scared to go to war and theres nothing wrong with me. i enlisted into a combat mos for a reason, to come over here and fight and if i have to, die for my country. i take pride in that fact. i have alot to loose, and i dont want to...but i would in a heartbeat. its something called patriotism, its a very very rare quality in the military nowadays.......but theres definitely nothing wrong with you if you have it

 

Thats rediculous.

Are you saying that if you are willing to go into war without fear of death that is your defenition of "Patrotism?"

Thats closer to the word couragous or brave or just plain stupid.

And you may be in a pool of about a 10-15% of people that are'nt truely affraid to go to war.

If thats true. I wont challenge that cause there is no way I would know what you truely feel or think. Only you would and I dont put alot of stock into what people say on msg boards.

There are all kinds of patriots.

And everyone enters a combat situation in a different way. And many hide their fear.

Fear is'nt exactlly a bad thing. It keeps some people alive if used correctly.

I stand by my original statment but I may adjust it by saying that theres nothing wrong with Incorperating a sence of duty and bravery into being scared to go into combat or not.

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