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GS.C Wake Up Call...

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if that person still decides to do the talent show, people start to shun him...and that is what I feel is wrong.

 

ok. This may be a really bad example.

 

Lets compare Glowsticking.com to a childrens park with a jungle gym.

 

Now, at this jungle gym, people dont want "naked people" around, correct? (Naked people = this talent show)

 

If you say "HEY KIDS IMA STILL WALK AROUND NAKED!!!!!"

You think its wrong for people to say "HEY THATS FUCKING WRONG!"

 

NO.

 

Were not saying you cant be naked ever. JUST DONT FUCKIN DO IT HERE.

Why is this simple idea so hard to understand?

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ok. This may be a really bad example.

 

Lets compare Glowsticking.com to a childrens park with a jungle gym.

 

Now, at this jungle gym, people dont want "naked people" around, correct? (Naked people = this talent show)

 

If you say "HEY KIDS IMA STILL WALK AROUND NAKED!!!!!"

You think its wrong for people to say "HEY THATS FUCKING WRONG!"

 

NO.

 

Were not saying you cant be naked ever. JUST DONT FUCKIN DO IT HERE.

Why is this simple idea so hard to understand?

 

That wasn't as bad as an example as you may believe, but just a little bad :P . I understand for the most part what you are saying, but, what if that stringer goes and does it anyways, what if he continues to battle, to compete, to do whatever, but, he doesn't post about, boast about, then what? Are we not able to still respect him, accept him. Because you know...fine...no problem, I won't get naked at the park, but I sure am going to be naked all around my house...do you kinda see what I mean?

 

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Because you know...fine...no problem, I won't get naked at the park, but I sure am going to be naked all around my house...do you kinda see what I mean?

 

And this is the point where you are getting way to technical on my bad example just to try and prove yourself.

 

>.> dont do that.

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Well, battlers and competers almost never stay silent like that, BUT lets say you are right:

 

- He goes to our meetups and then is annoyed he can't battle.

 

- Our staff members have to remind the dude not to talk about that stuff and have to remind everyone at the party that we have a battler amongst our company so that newbies won't be affected.

 

- Becuase newbies are told not to listen to what he may have to say on IM's and personal conversations off the site tension is already created.

 

- He can't go to meetups at parties and such because he might have just finished battling some dude and we don't want to be associated with that at the party.

 

- Our veteran members will have a hard time wanting to release a video or teaching him because they know he'll use it for competitions.

 

- He might get really angry and recruit tools to make posts saying GS.C WAKE UP CALL because he was eventuallly banned for taking it a bit too far.

 

I mean practically, gosh I wish there would be no terrorists in the world and no criminals, and that everyone was of one religion, but i don't see how it could work?

 

 

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And this is the point where you are getting way to technical on my bad example just to try and prove yourself.

 

>.> dont do that.

:P

 

Either way, I just think that everyone should be able to get along, despite what they do, as long as they don't cross other peoples boundaries, ya know? If I want to go around battling, I should be able to, as long as I don't go around posting stupid shit and causing drama, which unfortunately, happens a lot anyways, but I think we generalize things too much. And like Dave said, sometimes that person needs that ban because they have been given chances and its not so much the idea of them doing it, but how they go about it.

 

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That wasn't as bad as an example as you may believe, but just a little bad :P . I understand for the most part what you are saying, but, what if that stringer goes and does it anyways, what if he continues to battle, to compete, to do whatever, but, he doesn't post about, boast about, then what? Are we not able to still respect him, accept him. Because you know...fine...no problem, I won't get naked at the park, but I sure am going to be naked all around my house...do you kinda see what I mean?

 

I think the park is glowsticking, not gs.c specifically.

 

also can I bring up the point of this thread http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/Show-t24231.html

Can someone explain how this isn't clearly stringing for money?

 

every once in a while, something like this pop's up that I don't see how can exsist on gs.c but nobody seems to step in and say this is bad, infact a staff member even suggested the idea of payment.

 

sorry if this is off topic, but it seemed relevant to OP

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repplying to one of dynoboy's earlier posts ( too long to sift through do you blame me) to me any ways a large part of the reason we do not like battling aside form what cleric has already pointed out ( cuz im a lazy bitch who dosent want to retype it) is that we give credit where credit is due, you for instance respect the members of this site as you said above, including cleric and dave, probably even more so now beause you knwo the amount of work that goes into maintaining this site. but when peole leech ( and i do literally mean leech) from the members of this site and dont give them proper credit it is understandable that people would get mad furthermore the way i see it is that by signing up for this site you agree to terms of service written and unwritten and when people push the art further and post tuts on this site the majority of them dont want you to use those moves for battles or making money, because then you are in essence "stealing" from them by using their work withought giving them the proper credit ( which in this case imo should be a portion of the money you eearned in teh case of gsing for money) also by using these moves for battles you violate the terms of service for watch that tutorial ect ( unwritten rule but i believe a valid one, if you take someones stuff dont use it in a way that will piss them off)

 

as for your remarks about online tyranny i believe it is now you who is being hypocritical as you earlier slammed cleric for bashing you, yo have bashed dave for being an online tyrant, the connotation alone makes this a hypocrisy in fact if you read the other thread with nitr0 ( plz plz lz no one start a flame war again jsut using this as a quick eg) when other peole said that we should ban person xyz ( including me) or stop the thread ect dave kept it open and didnt ban those people sure he was pissed off but it is my understanding that ( correct me if im wrong) he was allowing them to voice their opinions he just happned to voice his right back

 

lastly when you say you just happened to stumple of foum topic x and read it and post this thread, you essentially are judging an entire comunity on on e thread which only a smal handful of people where posting on, you decided to judge all of gs.c based on one argument on one topic as cleric / dave have siad stick around and see how we stand on other issues you claim that we should be more open minded and maybe thats true but, maybe it would hurt you to be open minded as well look through a variety of other thread with postings from otehr people to get a real grasp of what we are like

 

ps lots of gramer erros but tooo long to fix, also nothing personal i just feel the atks on cleric / other gs.c staff are unwarranted because remember they put this together without them there would be no forum for ppl to cause drama on so be greatful " my house my rules" smae idea and i think melvenorc brought this up once, just because they are admin dosent mena they dont have opinions it also dosent mean they cant voice their opinions

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that thread with extremeglow is some guy asking for PICTURES of people glowstringing. I think we can all be adults about it and know what their intentions are. it's not some kind of talent show. it's just what they call it to flatter people who are glowsticking.

 

but you are right, not everyone can make the differentiation and one of us might write to clarify that.

 

 

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First off, I thank you for posting your questions/opinion on GS.C because I'm pretty dam sure that there are people out there thinking the same thing and it lets us as GS.C answer them.

 

Second, that was one fat WALL OF TEXT =[ , yeah I read it all, but next time do you mind putting some spaces in between, it hurts the eyes >_<

 

So diving straight in:

IMO

he's not bashing cynic or cleric, but questioning the stereotype that hovers over GS.C that we’re an elite class with overblown egos, etc. etc. (could just be me and my soft heart). When I first joined, I spent quite a bit of time going through the majority of what I considered “important threads†ranging from GS.C’s beliefs to problems/drama that occurred in order to get a feel of the community I was about to dive into. I wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into and whether it fit my own beliefs or not. So those same/similar questions popped in my head when I read up on such threads, but I’ve thought them over many times through.

 

Remember this, this is a community of glowstickers that follow a belief: no battling, no (mind just blanked… everything else that GS.C doesn’t believe in). Now you stated that GS.C is now an online tyranny that smashes on everyone that doesn’t follow its beliefs. What I’m about to state has probably been repeated over 9000 times by now. Cynicdave nor Cleric has ever banned somebody that has had an opposing view, they have let every single one of them have their say and debate, but never have they ever banned someone from speaking their mind. It’s only when you cross the line that Dave has drawn so clearly that do you get your ban. If you have read the old threads of such topics, you will notice that these people have requested bans themselves. I would go on, but I’m lazy.

 

Next up is battlers, leeches, whatnot. Everyone’s favorite topic in GS.C. Respect for those who wish to battle, those who battle, etc. Do you see GS.C going to raves, events, meet ups, or any other event screaming that battling is 4 n00bs and those who battle are lil 8 year olds that haven’t had their balls dropped, blahblahblah. As long as they are not a part of GS.C, battlers can be battlers, but we stay out of their way, and they stay out of ours. It is that simple. Yes, our goal may be to have a world of no battling… But the world isn’t perfect, we KNOW there’s always going to battlers no matter what, we KNOW people will string for money, but most of all we KNOW that we don’t want that crap in our community. Problem is, that wording itself is hairy, you could interpret that as shunning others from our community that have different views, etc. etc.

 

That’s my answer to your questions, I’m pretty sure I missed quite a bit of them or half answered others, but that’s my opinion in a jist. Grammar is crap and whatnot, hope you guys could read it.

I wholeheartedly thank all the members that replied to his thread with meaning and patience, especially to those who have dealt with such topics over and over again and to Dynoboy for being brave enough to voice his opinion. Wall of text is replied with wall of text.

 

Woo, too much free time on hand.

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Wow, it's funny how Jin or you cleric, decided to post just a segment of that conversation, if you read the whole thing it was a joke about the change like a homeless person, if you went further into the message I said that i wanted to perform in front of people for them to understand this culture, and it is in a totally acceptable place people come to the lights of Christmas to view different artistic setups involving lights...

As for you Dave, I never said I'm gonna try to make money, I never said I like being a sellout, fuck I never said I would even string for money! I said that if people do it, then that is their decision, you people are so narrow minded that you honestly believe that I am attacking you! I'm saying just love eachother despite the differences, I'm not saying everyone should try to "sell out" I'm saying that when that happens with someone that's what they chose, don't hate them for it...

On another note, Dave you are retarded if I meant that jun0 told me to join this community, or adub, or anyone that is banned, Jin smyles told me to join a few months ago and my brother said I should join, also some ppl I have met at raves told me to join but I cannot even remember their real names because I talked to them for such a brief moment. So your credibility there is lost.

 

I am not trying to get you to change your beliefs, or anything like that, but I'm trying to get everyone here to respect that there are different beliefs between all of us, I have no intention of saying "fuck you" and leaving, then it would be agaist everything I believe and have written, my goal is to stop the spouting of twisted facts, and to make people realize that small things don't matter, as long as the culture is intact then there is no foul.

 

I don't see jun0 going around telling everyone that stringing for money is the best gig of his life and they should try it to. I talk to him on a daily basis and all he tells me is to get involved with people and grow, if I didn't know better I would never even think he strings for money, cuz according to you people like that are assholes who don't teach, funny thing is, is that everything I have learned has come from jun0 or someone close to him, they showed me this life, they taught me, and they are all truly amazing people, but because they have different views, instead of you guys realizing that and saying "we don't support that but we still respect you", you call them every slanderous word your minds can conjur up and you get so heated, to what point and purpose? Do you think that by banning those people your preserving the true lifestyle? Ha, if that's true then you are a downright fool, you think they don't preach to just as many people even without you? You can't eradicate them from the lifestyle, just your online community, which means you can try to silence, but that's all, try...never succeed...

 

But if you were willing to coexist, maybe if you wouldn't have burned so many bridges then things could be better

 

perhaps since jun0 is a sponsored stringer he could get tons of ultras donated for your ultra circles, perhaps he could have gotten you exclusive passes to Matt cerf shows, whatever he could have done...and that's besides the point, what I am saying is that yes Dave you are the bigshot, you pay for the site, or most of it at least, you made the rules, you did everything, but if you don't let the community be it's own thing, then you are not moderating, you are ruling with an iron fist, when there should be equal love across the board...

 

Also when you mentioned how much the server fees are, you said "server fees are $250 a month =) none of the people who were banned typically donate, so honestly I'm less likely to listen to people who use up the resources on the site to promote their views." so in a nutshell, your saying those who don't pay you donations, you don't listen to them? How is that the true lifestyle?

 

All I wanna know is why everyone can't just agree to disagree or agree, there is no need for name calling or shunning! If you don't like people then that's your opinion, don't dilute someone elses thought of someone, just because you have beef with them...

 

Like I've said from the beginning I'm not trying to disrespect, I'm just saying people should care more about others beliefs...that is all

 

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Wait Dave, now your getting more twisted then I've ever seen, I never said that GS.C didn't push the art or the progress of it! I said YOU did not invent this lifestyle, your really gonna try and twist my words to make me look like a bad guy now?!? So immature and typical for one so weak, why don't you stick to the FACTS and try to play fair?!? Mmmkay pumpkin?

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*slams head on desk*

 

 

no?

 

 

 

why won't you just accept the fact there is no room here for any of that.

 

Now with that said. You can stay or you can go.

 

If you start to cause problems then we will escort you out.

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Wait Dave, now your getting more twisted then I've ever seen, I never said that GS.C didn't push the art or the progress of it! I said YOU did not invent this lifestyle, your really gonna try and twist my words to make me look like a bad guy now?!? So immature and typical for one so weak, why don't you stick to the FACTS and try to play fair?!? Mmmkay pumpkin?

 

 

and one post earlier you said there was no need for calling people names weakass.... stick to your own playbook... pumpkin.

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Wait Dave, now your getting more twisted then I've ever seen,

 

 

Joined 15 hours ago.... HAHAHA I LOVE IT. Ever seen...

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My question is, what if I go to an even where there is a battle? I do not participate but I just observe and absorb and learn the culture outside of GS.C, am I going to get banned for it? Cuz if I post about it then I get banned, which I should, but if I don't post about it and I keep it to myself, then I have the case of jellybeanx to deal with and I'll get flamed for not telling anyone that I went to said event, either way I lose! So how do I enjoy learning all aspects of glowsticking without getting shunned by this community?

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-_-

 

 

"learn all aspects of glowsticking"

 

the aspect in that example would be battling if i read what you wrote correctly. What would you like to know about it? Maybe we can educate you on it.

 

I'm glad you are starting to reference your friends now and showing that ax you need to grind.

 

 

jellybeanx was suspended for still promoting the party we asked him not to promote on gsc. He is a dj and as such we understood that he needs people to support him. Thats fine...

 

 

Zin posted this in regards to that party

 

I don't mind people coming out to support you, but I prefer you not mentioning the name of the party or the production crew that is throwing this event.

 

I'd also would like it if you mention that this event does have a competition which this site is against; especially since I have spoken to you about this event beforehand. Thanks and have a nice day.

 

Pretty polite if you ask me.

 

Anyway the name of the party was posted a couple times more..which was promptly deleted by staff. For promoting a party with a poi/glowsticking competition (it was flowlights I THINK) he was SUSPENDED for a short period of time.

 

In that time however people forgot how to read and kept saying "why is he BANNED" which he was not. Since people then started using the word BANNED other people flipped out and cause issues which then led to people leaving..and other actually getting banned.

 

Jellybeanx is still a member who posts every now and then. You don't see us even bring him up as one of our disgraced members do you? No you don't.

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-_-

 

 

"learn all aspects of glowsticking"

 

the aspect in that example would be battling if i read what you wrote correctly. What would you like to know about it? Maybe we can educate you on it.

 

I'm glad you are starting to reference your friends now and showing that ax you need to grind.

 

 

jellybeanx was suspended for still promoting the party we asked him not to promote on gsc. He is a dj and as such we understood that he needs people to support him. Thats fine...

 

 

Zin posted this in regards to that party

 

 

 

Pretty polite if you ask me.

 

Anyway the name of the party was posted a couple times more..which was promptly deleted by staff. For promoting a party with a poi/glowsticking competition (it was flowlights I THINK) he was SUSPENDED for a short period of time.

 

In that time however people forgot how to read and kept saying "why is he BANNED" which he was not. Since people then started using the word BANNED other people flipped out and cause issues which then led to people leaving..and other actually getting banned.

 

Jellybeanx is still a member who posts every now and then. You don't see us even bring him up as one of our disgraced members do you? No you don't.

 

 

 

ok so what if i want to go to an event and see what the battles are like, i dont post things promoting it, i just go on my own free will, but you guys just so happen to find i was there...am i now banned for it, or suspended, or looked down upon, because i was curious and wanted to see what it was like for myself? because if i do do these things, i have no intention of trying to get others to or trying to undermine you, i would just want to make sure that i dont get slapped for attending this event.

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would you get banned? no

 

 

would i look down on you. yup.

 

so you would judge me and look down on me, just for viewing another type of sub-culture in this vast lifestyle? how is that in any way nice? how is that PLUR? how is that living up to the lifestyle of glowsticking? just because i am curious as to see how the dynamics vary from yours? I am a very analytical person and i like to weigh all the options, so why can i not view these other sources without being put on blast by this community? that is not a nice community, that is not what Love is, so why is it necessary?

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yeah you are right. So are you going to leave now?

 

What happens if I agree to disagree with you guys on some aspects, and keep my opinions to myself since they are shot down here, what if I "play along" and don't do anything to get myself banned, will i still be on the shit list due to my former questions? or will i be accepted despite my difference? these are things i would have to know before i burn this bridge and just say bye!

 

also im glad things are coming to a closure, one way or another, in the heat of battle things are never fun, im glad it has come down many notches and is not a conversation as opposed to an argument

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alright ive tried to play nice but dynoboy your a fucking hyopcrite tool

 

first of all calling us close minded for vieing your posts as insults, is a contradiction in itself because you keep saying that dave rulkes the site with an iron fist or that he is a tyrant so unless you mean tyrant in the literal sense of the term, which does not make sense in this context maybe a little self reflection is inorter before you go pointing your self righteous finger, as for burning bridges you are doing a fine example by trolling the shit out of this form, with the facade of equal representation, which is bullshit either intentionally or unintentionally you have demonized the staff/ admins and creators of the website and all they stand for and by extension its members who believe in it which include me so you little self righteous prick before you jerk your self to sleep with sweet lulabies you sing to yourself about how your actually helping us take a second to read your posts you are using the same methods to atack ( yes attack but il get to that in a sec) this site which you claim to be so appauled by, things such as hypocracy, twisting of facts name calling

as i have already said in all of your posts ( assuming when you do back to back posts they count as 1) you have some how insulted or belittled gs.c staff or beliefs, you claim we are demonizing battlers / profiteers yet you do the same to gsc and their admins, you claim cynic dave is an iron fisted tyrant yet he lets you stay to voice your opinion bull fucking shit you are not trying to be disrespectful all you do is throw slander around, which is intresting because aparently you are above that

 

you knjow you might have had some valid points on certain issues however because of the way you have represented yourself and your cause you have taken away your causes legitmacy, as far as why battlers / fprofiterers shouldnt be allowed to use gs.c resources simple we dont want them to, and by we i mean those who post their content

 

going back to your bullshit facade of representing a fair debate, again at least people on gs.c are passionate about what we do and we are honest we do not hide behind falacious logic and atempt to falsly jsutify our selves so that other will except us like you, and yes you are trying to jsutfiy your belifs to those in the thread, regardless of what you say otherwise you are jsut wasting our time which would still make you a hypocrite

 

you need to come of your moral high horse WHO THE FUCK died and made you supreme ethical ruler of the universe, what gives you the right to storm in here and tell people thatthey should change their ideologies and again yes this opression which you claim to be so much against is exxactly what you are using in your posts you call us narrow minded and that we need to be more accepting and need to do this and that and give a bunch of moral arguemtns why well who the fuck asked you? we never asked for this, you brought this shitstorm on yourself

 

btw give your self a pat on the back you pissed off the site cretor, the famous cleric and a few others now go back to what eer it is you do during the rest of your arrogant ass life and leave us alone and yes i can call you an arrogant jack-ass based on what i have seen you are a pre-medona who believes they are th ebe all and end all on all topics as you said you are new you read one topic and you start a shitstorm, i tried to mediate this flame war by telling you to become more aquainted with gs.c but you have not demonstrated that you have done this so now look who is unwilling to change their ill informed narrow minded ways its because of people like you that gs.c has gone under ground because we hate assholes know it alls like you that thkn they know how to run the world come in here and try to change everything, its not that you have a diffrent opion that we are getting pissed its that you are putting yours above our you are not asking questions you are launching attacks

 

ps to lazy to edit

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What happens if I agree to disagree with you guys on some aspects, and keep my opinions to myself since they are shot down here, what if I "play along" and don't do anything to get myself banned, will i still be on the shit list due to my former questions? or will i be accepted despite my difference? these are things i would have to know before i burn this bridge and just say bye!

 

also im glad things are coming to a closure, one way or another, in the heat of battle things are never fun, im glad it has come down many notches and is not a conversation as opposed to an argument

 

 

:inmyopinion:

 

 

I personally think you are annoying as shit. I think people that play along and keep quiet should just fucking leave. As far as each individual persons shit list... thats up to them. But based on the messages i've been getting all day from veterans... things don't look to good for you.

 

I won't stop believing you didnt sign up on GSc just to try to prove some point on how your friends are not complete wastes of life. Seeing as how you signed up and brought up old members during a time when they were already being discussed in another thread.

 

I think members who want to promote any kind of "competition can be good" ideas should just leave. You are wasting your breath. It's been proven to be bad everytime in the long run.

 

 

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alright ive tried to play nice but dynoboy your a fucking hyopcrite tool

 

first of all calling us close minded for vieing your posts as insults, is a contradiction in itself because you keep saying that dave rulkes the site with an iron fist or that he is a tyrant so unless you mean tyrant in the literal sense of the term, which does not make sense in this context maybe a little self reflection is inorter before you go pointing your self righteous finger, as for burning bridges you are doing a fine example by trolling the shit out of this form, with the facade of equal representation, which is bullshit either intentionally or unintentionally you have demonized the staff/ admins and creators of the website and all they stand for and by extension its members who believe in it which include me so you little self righteous prick before you jerk your self to sleep with sweet lulabies you sing to yourself about how your actually helping us take a second to read your posts you are using the same methods to atack ( yes attack but il get to that in a sec) this site which you claim to be so appauled by, things such as hypocracy, twisting of facts name calling

as i have already said in all of your posts ( assuming when you do back to back posts they count as 1) you have some how insulted or belittled gs.c staff or beliefs, you claim we are demonizing battlers / profiteers yet you do the same to gsc and their admins, you claim cynic dave is an iron fisted tyrant yet he lets you stay to voice your opinion bull fucking shit you are not trying to be disrespectful all you do is throw slander around, which is intresting because aparently you are above that

 

you knjow you might have had some valid points on certain issues however because of the way you have represented yourself and your cause you have taken away your causes legitmacy, as far as why battlers / fprofiterers shouldnt be allowed to use gs.c resources simple we dont want them to, and by we i mean those who post their content

 

going back to your bullshit facade of representing a fair debate, again at least people on gs.c are passionate about what we do and we are honest we do not hide behind falacious logic and atempt to falsly jsutify our selves so that other will except us like you, and yes you are trying to jsutfiy your belifs to those in the thread, regardless of what you say otherwise you are jsut wasting our time which would still make you a hypocrite

 

you need to come of your moral high horse WHO THE FUCK died and made you supreme ethical ruler of the universe, what gives you the right to storm in here and tell people thatthey should change their ideologies and again yes this opression which you claim to be so much against is exxactly what you are using in your posts you call us narrow minded and that we need to be more accepting and need to do this and that and give a bunch of moral arguemtns why well who the fuck asked you? we never asked for this, you brought this shitstorm on yourself

 

btw give your self a pat on the back you pissed off the site cretor, the famous cleric and a few others now go back to what eer it is you do during the rest of your arrogant ass life and leave us alone and yes i can call you an arrogant jack-ass based on what i have seen you are a pre-medona who believes they are th ebe all and end all on all topics as you said you are new you read one topic and you start a shitstorm, i tried to mediate this flame war by telling you to become more aquainted with gs.c but you have not demonstrated that you have done this so now look who is unwilling to change their ill informed narrow minded ways its because of people like you that gs.c has gone under ground because we hate assholes know it alls like you that thkn they know how to run the world come in here and try to change everything, its not that you have a diffrent opion that we are getting pissed its that you are putting yours above our you are not asking questions you are launching attacks

 

ps to lazy to edit

 

the funny part of your pathetic exaggerated rant, is that i have never said i am better then anyone, i have paid my respect to all who deserve it, sorry you cannot understand when i say "I RESPECT EVERYONE!" and what i do not like, is how everyone cannot just get along despite differences, and i have read more then one post, you act like you know each move ive made throughout my life, so you are the jack ass not me...all the posts i have read have people arguing for no apparent reason other then to just hate eachother, and that is what i am trying to bring up, i am trying to say that why cant this community just love everyone? there have been people to see exactly what i am saying, and they agree, then there are those like yourself, who see sort of what im saying, then let your mind run in the wrong direction, so that you can once again paint me as a bad guy, well think what you want, cuz thats the beauty of each of us being individuals, but please keep the hatred to a minimum, like i said, i do not hate anyone including you xbadkaraokex, we obviously dont see eye to eye, but then again i think the true problem is that we are having severe miscommunication problems, the reason i said that dave is ruling with an iron fist, is because he has indeed done actions leading up to that title, it is not me slandering, it is not me flaming, it is me making an observation and wondering if i am just looking at the entire situation in the wrong perspective? or am i maybe right in saying that about him, either way i doubt he will lose any sleep over me saying he is strict, or even me saying he is a tyrant, who cares, if he wanted to please me, he would just thank me for my view, even though he disagrees, and move on, as i would do for him, of course i wont even dream of something that nice happening, because as far as i know, everyone already hates me, which is quite sad, i just tried to make life more of a peaceful place and im getting crucified for it, but to me it doesnt even matter all that much, ive said what i feel, you have struck me down for it, i succeeded in changing nothing, and dave is still the man, so he has nothing to worry about from me.

 

now with that being said, i will no longer question the intentions/beliefs of GS.C because i know them, instead i will try to make it work and try to coexist because i really do think i can benefit from this place if i can look past all the negativity that i see. so if i am banned then i am banned, my life isnt over. if i am hated by some of you, then i somewhat expect that and wont cry over it. and if everyone on here sees my POV and accepts me, then well...id probably shoot myself in the fucking face cuz i wouldnt believe its true ha. but all in all, i did not mean any harm, and the only reason i used any namecalling, is because everyone does it, even though i said lets try not to, i said TRY, not "i never name call"...so basically we are all human, and if i insulted you, then im sorry for that, but lets face it, i got slandered pretty bad too, regardless that i started this whole discussion in the first place.

 

I dont hate anyone, im not trying to leave or on the other hand cause drama.

i would like to stay where i am at, not too involved, because i want to observe more.

but also not gone, because i dont know if i want to leave this community.

so give me time to decide, unless you think i should be gone, then make me gone.

I honestly wouldnt judge you if i was booted =]

 

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