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UPDATE SUMMARY:

 

3/27/09: Created Gloves Tutorial III, made possible with some help from www.NiteLifeDesigns.com. Credit is given to them because of equipment received.

3/26/09: Shot footage for gloves tutorial III, will be released by April 1st.

3/8/09: Created Gloves Tutorial II, Update to Definitions/Moves List

2/8/09: Fractured my wrist from snowboarding, no more gloves for a while

2/6/09: Created First Tutorial/This Thread

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Alright everyone,

 

I know there's a thread about making gloves, so I'm going to skip that. My latest obsession is born by the overcrowding I see at raves. When there's no room to string...what can you do?

 

You could give lightshows to people if you're a freehander, but since I'm not skilled with my hands in that way (take that out of context, bishes), I decided to make some photon gloves.

 

My goal is to watch videos, test some things, practice finger flexibility (lol) and create what I believe is the perfect glove lightshow. I'll try to review photons that I've used as well.

 

GLOVES TUTORIAL I:

 

COVERED IN THIS SECTION:

+What the photons in a starter set look like, what I recommend.

+An overview of stages/themes

+Finger rolls, digits, finger waves

+Having an encompassed theme: animal creature stances

Reference points:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4241 ($4.00 for 7 photons)

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16511 (~$2.00 for 2 photons)

 

Text Summary:

Lightshows are split up into different "stages." A stage is where a certain "theme" or group of moves are used. Stages are split up often by some all encompassing theme, which could be almost anything. I prefer to use a "creature stance" to separate my stances, something that makes the lights on the gloves look like an animal or monster. By having something you continually come back to, it almost tells a story, and alerts the lighshowee (lol.) that something new is going to happen.

 

Learn how to do some small finger tutting (digits). Making boxes (GINSENG STYLE WOOT) with you fingers may be a start. This is a hard move to start out with; may restructure the tutorials I post once i get enough of them up. I strongly recommend this because many of the gloves users DON'T do this: it's unique and trippy, even if you just throw it in there as one move inside your stage.

 

Learn how to do a finger roll. The finger roll is easy: see the video for that. Once you can do it in a straight line, invert it, be creative, split your hands up. Very beginner friendly move, and looks cool if done correctly b/c the lights vanish in front of your eyes.

 

Again, this may be a bit more advanced, but its somewhere between digits and finger roll. A finger wave is when you an isolate each finger on your hands.

 

A good place to go if you want to really learn all that you can about digits and finger waves is: HERE

 

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GLOVES TUTORIAL II

 

COVERED IN THIS SECTION:

+Splitting/Cross Eyed Moves

+My bootleg/easy version of liquiding for you to practice

+Conjuring/Introducing How to Use Conjuring Elements w/ non conjuring lights

+Tracing?

+My amazing haircut (it's distracting, I know.)

 

Keep in mind that gloves it's a bit more difficult to teach just because it is all about style and less about "moves" persay.

 

 

TEXT SUMMARY:

 

-Conjuring can be studied in depth here: http://www.glowsticking.com/forums/Art-Conjuring-t142.html

-My conjuring is terrible. Sue me.

-Liquid is a good staple thing to fall back on, but don't do it for too long at a time. It takes time to make it look passable.

-Use freehanding elements in your gloving! Go to the freehand forum NOW.

-Tracing can be done on anything above the waste. Make the lightshowee's (lol) eyes follow your gloves.

-NOTE: Updated Key Terms

 

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Gloves Tutorial III:

 

Text Summary:

-Single Digit Moves: Just make sure to realize that you don't just use your whole hand. Using single fingers to split eyes. Try to move back and forth. I talked a little bit about this in the conjuring part, but it gives you some other ideas. Take it or leave it.

-Progression: When the DJ is ripping it sickKkkKk, make your lightshow emulate that. Good lightshowers (lol.) know when to go off of a routine and make up original content based on their surroundings

-Multi-Person Lightshows: It doesn't go into extreme detail, but it gives you a gist: pay attention to everyone, don't linger too long, be unpredictable.

-Personally, Multi-Person lightshows are just stupid. Try to avoid them. If not, then...try to chain moves to the people around you. Being fluid is what is going to make you shine.

(KEY TERMS UPDATED)

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Random Notes/Dictionary/Key Terms/blahblahblah

 

The good light shows I've seen have different "stages". For my defining purposes, a stage is a time increment of a lightshow that has a special 'theme'. Themes are pretty much a set type of moves that you have that you feel match each other. What will define "style" is how you group your moves into themes.

 

So far, the parts of a good gloves lightshow that I've identified so far are: (note: these are moves that may be grouped into themes)

 

-Tutting/Finger Liquid/Digits

It's advanced. Yes. But having at least a little bit of understanding and coordinating this will make all of the difference. I strongly recommend being able to consistently and effortless do a finger wave both ways.

 

-Creature/Morphing Stances

Anything from smily faces to alies with mouths to a spideresque thing with eyes. What I do is have a main "creature" repeatedly come back throughout the lightshow. It's as if the gloves have a spirit in an animal form that cause the next round of events to occur.

 

 

-Liquid Spazz

What most "lightshow" people do. In a sense, you need to some of your stuff go fast, because a lot of people just like the effect of a fast liquid. What makes it effective is if you switch directions, maybe stop a hand, have the other hand come back to it, etc.

 

-Stairs: Another term for when you are liquiding w/ your hands and make "stairs", or extra platforms

 

-Cross Eye Moves/Splitting

Any time you're splitting your hands or lights and bringing them close to the eyes, but splitting them off so they go behind their head. You can enter a stage or end a stage via this.

 

-Tracing: A move where you are "tracing" a body part with your gloves. See glowsticking.com freehanding traces. Really the only practical traces that you can do are arm and head traces - unless you're giving a full body show (take that out of context, baby.)

 

-Conjuring: A form of lightshow where a user uses two lights and turns them on and off in creative patterns. You can borrow elements of it to help expand what you're doing in a certain stage of a lightshow. See glowsticking.com's conjuring thread (LOCATED IN THIS SUBFORUM!) for more info.

 

-Progression: When the music has a break that is peaking, make lots of noise and shaking with your gloves to emulate a build in the music.

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Before i got into spinning I was pretty into gloves (gloving?), and it can be pretty damn fun. These days (this was like 2 years ago) everyone and their sister has glove lights, but theres definitely a huge difference between people who can actually give a good show, and the gloves+fig.8=lightshow crowd.

 

Anyway, there are tons of videos of other finger folk out there, but the real gold for me at least, was in digits (or digitz), liquid for your fingers if you will. I studied the hell out of this video by the liquid pop collective when i was starting and it did me pretty well.

 

Other then that, things like shapes and figures are always a big hit, like smiley faces and hearts(durr) and hand dragons (when you fold your fingers up to look like a dragon or some sort of snake monster thing).

 

Oh, and if you're feeling really classy and want to raise the bar a bit with some custom stuff, i had always thought about wiring gloves up myself (instead of using photons) and having little cutoff switches to do all sorts of crazy conjuring and mind games and stuff. Or having two sets of lights built into each glove, and switches to go from one to the other, and then to both or something.

 

Hmm, thinking about all this kind of makes me want to dig out my old gloves...

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im ordering my set next week :) i love it imma definetley stay on this thread

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I forgot to put this in my other post, but these things, the "led poi sticks" ( http://www.technomoves.com/led_poi_stick.html ) Are really really great for gloves. You crack the stick part off, you can stuff them into gloves, or if you're really handy you can extend the wires on the battery parts, and tuck the batteries into the wrist cuff thing on the gloves, and have wires going into the fingers to the (significantly smaller) lights. I only did that with a few fingers worth of lights, but the price is definitely right to do a whole set if you have the patience,

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yeah imma have a 22 light glove set but first imma order 12 first the the other 10 later lights are expensive these days i foun a spot that sells ravns but ther 50 bucks each lolol

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yeah imma have a 22 light glove set but first imma order 12 first the the other 10 later lights are expensive these days i foun a spot that sells ravns but ther 50 bucks each lolol

I bought some photons from deal extreme, cause I figured I should start cheap to see if I actually like this stuff.

 

They're pretty bad quality, but they get the job done. I wish they only had one color instead of the many flashing different colors but beggars can't be choosers.

 

My quest starts AFTER MIDTERMS (econ woot)

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I have two sets of gloves. The first is for light shows like you see a lot of people giving, and the other set is for conjuring. The typical glove light show is fun, but if you really want them to come back for more and remember the night you'll learn to conjure really well. By that I mean not only conjure from yourself but interact with the person you are giving a light show to. Pull things from their ears and mouth and offer them interaction! Some of the best light shows I've done have ended with people asking me the end of the story...what story...?

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I bought some photons from deal extreme, cause I figured I should start cheap to see if I actually like this stuff.

 

They're pretty bad quality, but they get the job done. I wish they only had one color instead of the many flashing different colors but beggars can't be choosers.

 

My quest starts AFTER MIDTERMS (econ woot)

yeah i get what u mean :)

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The typical glove light show is fun, but if you really want them to come back for more and remember the night you'll learn to conjure really well. By that I mean not only conjure from yourself but interact with the person you are giving a light show to. Pull things from their ears and mouth and offer them interaction! Some of the best light shows I've done have ended with people asking me the end of the story...what story...?

 

OMG i WISH there were videos of my friend Flip. hes in eol and yeah crews are bad but hes the best conjurer ive ever seen. about the pulling stuff out of peoples ears and stuff, yeah... if you have greens you can always pull buggers out of their nose lol thats what he did to in the first lightshow i ever got from him at nocturnal. =] it made me giggle

 

anyways... all my friends that do glove shows mostly use inovas and rav'ns. you can get the inovas at target. they come in blue and white, but you can go to radioshack to get other bulbs. HOWEVER i think some of my friends complained about the radioshack bulbs being dimmer than the ones online.

 

This is my personal opinion please dont get mad or anything: i think the people who just hang their lights off their fingers or hold the gloves by the wrists and flail them around have no skill whatsoever. idk i think its way more interesting when people can flawlessly change the settings on their inovas without losing their flow. you have a lot more control and variety when your lights are on your fingers and not hanging inside your glove. plus when you hang your lights you get the clacking noise which can damage the lights or turn them off

 

 

 

Practicing in a mirror is always good. i went to a bunch of my friends practices and they said that if it looks cool to you, itll look cool to someone else too (especially if theyre under the influence)... haha..

 

LIGHT SHOWS

 

oh and when i used to try and do glove shows.. =] yeah its fun to do sound effects =] my favorite moves were "nom nom nom" (pac man) "rawr" and "YAY!" =] let me borrow your gloves some day and ill show you hahaha

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I enjoy conjuring myslef... I don't like the idea of having 20 lights in my gloves. in my opinion it's a little much. One thing that's really cool that I found out is that the glow in the dark gloves react really really well to the blue LED's so you can literally draw stuff on your hands when you're giving a light show. it's one of my favorites and people are always confused by that. Can't wait to see what you can do after a couple weeks man. :dope

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I enjoy conjuring myslef... I don't like the idea of having 20 lights in my gloves. in my opinion it's a little much. One thing that's really cool that I found out is that the glow in the dark gloves react really really well to the blue LED's so you can literally draw stuff on your hands when you're giving a light show. it's one of my favorites and people are always confused by that. Can't wait to see what you can do after a couple weeks man. :dope

lolol i know 20 sounds like alot but ive seen some sick vids of people changing colors during a lightshow hence why wanna learn how to do that

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Just wanted to note that I have started researching and practicing.

 

 

What are you using for research?

I've been at this for a month or so and all I've managed to find are lightshow videos(not tutorials) on youtube.

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Well I was going to start making tutorials. I've been watching videos and practicing to find out what works and what doesn't.

 

Take a look at the finger tutting and waving stuff. That helps.

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Well I was going to start making tutorials. I've been watching videos and practicing to find out what works and what doesn't.

 

Take a look at the finger tutting and waving stuff. That helps.

 

 

I can't make the tutting look right with the gloves on.. It just doesn't seem like it's as trippy or enjoyable as, say, digits/z(which I like a lot). I think what gets me with the tutting is the direction in which the lights on my fingertips generally point- up/down/sideways and not at the person I'm giving a lightshow to.

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Learning to control your fingers and knuckles so you can move them in really neat patterns is probably one of the hardest things I practiced. I have gotten a general understanding, but I'm no where near perfect with that stuff.

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Learning to control your fingers and knuckles so you can move them in really neat patterns is probably one of the hardest things I practiced. I have gotten a general understanding, but I'm no where near perfect with that stuff.

 

 

In my opinion, it looks a lot more difficult than it is. Liquid Pop Collective(I'm pretty sure that's it..) has a few really great tutorials on youtube.

I think playing guitar has helped me a lot in terms of having control of finger movements.

That being said, for some reason it was really hard to make my ring and pinkie fingers on my left hand move independently.

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I've been having problems too, but I'm convinced that just having a little bit of this stuff is pivital in having a "next step" lightshow.

 

Right now, I'm just going to list concepts or ideas, but later I'll actually make videos.

 

The good light shows I've seen have different "stages". For my defining purposes, a stage is a time increment of a lightshow that has a special 'theme'. Themes are pretty much a set type of moves that you have that you feel match each other. What will define "style" is how you group your moves into themes.

 

So far, the parts of a good gloves lightshow that I've identified so far are: (note: these are moves that may be grouped into themes)

 

-Tutting/Finger Liquid/Digits

It's advanced. Yes. But having at least a little bit of understanding and coordinating this will make all of the difference. I strongly recommend being able to consistently and effortless do a finger wave both ways.

 

-Creature/Morphing Stances

Anything from smily faces to alies with mouths to a spideresque thing with eyes. What I do is have a main "creature" repeatedly come back throughout the lightshow. It's as if the gloves have a spirit in an animal form that cause the next round of events to occur.

 

 

-Liquid Spazz

What most "lightshow" people do. In a sense, you need to some of your stuff go fast, because a lot of people just like the effect of a fast liquid. What makes it effective is if you switch directions, maybe stop a hand, have the other hand come back to it, etc.

 

-Cross Eye Moves

Any time you're splitting your hands or lights and bringing them close to the eyes, but splitting them off so they go behind their head. You can enter a stage or end a stage via this.

 

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I look forward to seeing something from you Rage! I don't really use gloves all that much and haven't seen a lot in the forums about it so it would be cool to have some stuff written/recorded on it!

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I like the concept of stages and themes.. Even after all of the videos I've seen on youtube, I had never really seen them in that light, but it really does make perfect sense.

 

It seems like you could build a story of some sort using those and the different 'techniques' listed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I noticed something today..

Some glovers keep the gloves pulled on like normal with the lights fitting snug at the fingertips while some keep the fingers of the glove very loose allowing the lights to swing about creating a more fluid motion.

Which method do you guys prefer?

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I like the concept of stages and themes.. Even after all of the videos I've seen on youtube, I had never really seen them in that light, but it really does make perfect sense.

 

It seems like you could build a story of some sort using those and the different 'techniques' listed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I noticed something today..

Some glovers keep the gloves pulled on like normal with the lights fitting snug at the fingertips while some keep the fingers of the glove very loose allowing the lights to swing about creating a more fluid motion.

Which method do you guys prefer?

 

My gloves fit pretty snug when I got them. I have them tight.

 

actually, the question is do you cut a small hole so the photon can shine through brighter? Is that what most people do? (I never payed attention to it till now.)

 

EDIT: Tonight after class i'll put together some key terms and a baseline for myself. I'm going go to this semi-rave tonight on campus so I'll shoot a baseline video.

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My gloves fit pretty snug when I got them. I have them tight.

 

actually, the question is do you cut a small hole so the photon can shine through brighter? Is that what most people do? (I never payed attention to it till now.)

 

EDIT: Tonight after class i'll put together some key terms and a baseline for myself. I'm going go to this semi-rave tonight on campus so I'll shoot a baseline video.

 

 

First and foremost.. Your campus has raves?? Where is your school and can I transfer :P? The only thing on my campus tonight is a Financial Aid meeting..

 

 

 

I have knit gloves(regular womens winter gloves) so the LED's sometimes poke through. I can't say that I prefer it one way or the other as far as aesthetics go. I do tend to push the LED's back into the glove just because I don't like the idea of my gloves getting messed up..

 

Judging by the youtube videos, I'd say the majority of glovers leave the LED inside the glove. The lights just look too.. diluted, I guess, to have them not be obstructed by the glove.

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First and foremost.. Your campus has raves?? Where is your school and can I transfer :P? The only thing on my campus tonight is a Financial Aid meeting..

 

 

 

I have knit gloves(regular womens winter gloves) so the LED's sometimes poke through. I can't say that I prefer it one way or the other as far as aesthetics go. I do tend to push the LED's back into the glove just because I don't like the idea of my gloves getting messed up..

 

Judging by the youtube videos, I'd say the majority of glovers leave the LED inside the glove. The lights just look too.. diluted, I guess, to have them not be obstructed by the glove.

They're really BAD raves though. It rained before the last one so the turnout was...less then 30 people lol. Today its raining again so we probably won't have people....again.

 

I go to UCLA btw. We beat 'SC yesterday @ basketball. FSHO.

 

My gloves aren't knit gloves. I got them from choir in high school...and I just saved them thinking I may use them for something. I'll post a picture up later; I gotta hit up class right now.

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From now on, I will be updating the first post in this thread.

 

 

*added first gloves tutorial and some text. compiled some data.

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GLOVES TUTORIAL I:

 

COVERED IN THIS SECTION:

+What the photons in a starter set look like, what I recommend.

+An overview of stages/themes

+Finger rolls, digits, finger waves

+Having an encompassed theme: animal creature stances

Reference points:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4241 ($4.00 for 7 photons)

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16511 (~$2.00 for 2 photons)

 

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You, sir, may have just become my gs.c hero. :sm_biggrin:

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